Nice. I like the colour, texture, angularity and tonality of this image. Very good choice of composition too. I have the impression you were up tight to the wall? How do you find and compare taking shots like these compared to say your 14-54?
John: Representationalist! Ceci n'est pas une pipe!
Not sure what your question re "other lens" means. I only had the 7-14 with me when I shot this, and I haven't done an A-B with it and the 14-54 at 14 to see if there's any differences between them.
Eugene: I wasn't all that close to the wall on this, although I was extremely close to the floor! The FOV of this lens is so huge that I'm constantly surprised by how much gets into the image, but still sometimes I forget which end of the zoom range I'm at and try to zoom out further! Nothing's ever enough!
I like this picture very much, the unusual POV coupled with the exploration of texture makes for a fascinating study....however, I really must question that this falls under the phylum suggested.
Hiccup.
Can an observation be a form of 'abstract expressionism' particularly when it clearly depicts geometric context?
Hiccup.
Of course, I may well be wrong and am quite willing to accept that being the case. It is afterall 1.00am now and I have had a few beers. I just happen to be reading about Pollock at the moment. ..Let my just say, that genre aside, I think this is yet another cracker Ferd....and I'm feeling angsty.
I too like this alot. Yet if your emphasis is on Abstract Expressionism as your title says, I think this is expressed mainly in the "walls" and not the floor. I'd crop the lower third and correct the horizontal/vertical tilt to emphasize the walls. 'Just my two cents worth, regardless, I like a lot.
Man, you guys are literal! Of course ceci n'est pas expressionnisme abstrait! It's not even a photo of abstract expressionism! It's a photo of a dumpster! But the more accurate title "Dumpster with walls that reminded me of Pollack, yes, but more of like a combination of Reinhardt, Frankenthaler and maybe Fuller Potter long after I took the shot and I had to crop down to where it almost fell apart because there weren't enough pixels left in the image" wouldn't fit in the form field, so I just left it abbreviated. Anyway, the fact you can just tell that it's something real and even know what real thing it is was part of the allure of the picture for me. Gary, even though it may look rotated, this is the actual orientation of the walls (not saying it might not be better "fixed" as you suggest, mind you); the walls of the dumpster were slanted. But unfortunately I can't crop any tighter.
I like it too, Ferd, but I am also one who would prefer the verticals 'normalised' - regardless of the in situ orientation. Yet I know it can't easily be done because there is no right angle there in the corner I'm very boring. :-)
I think that what makes this good as a photograph/picture is the fact that it is possible to see what it is a picture of (dumpster or some kind of wall) at the same as it surely reminds of an abstract painting. If it was completely abstract (not possible to see what it was a picture of) it would compete with ordinary abstract paintings and would probably loose out in competition with such if people were going to choose something to hang on their walls.
Hi Ferd, great find here with a lot of textures and rusty color to work with. I like your shot but i'm gonna be very honest with you by saying that the geometrical corner here detract from the power of such "matière" you have here. A plain frontal shot of the left side would definetly give every abstract or painting the imagination of the viewer can allow.
Jamal, I appreciate your comment and don't disagree with you at all. I've already talked about what I like about this image, and without discounting anything I've already said, I do think there are other images I wish I'd done here in addition to this one. Although it would be a completely different photograph and would work for very different reasons than the things I liked about this image, I'm sure that your idea would yield a very good photo. Unfortunately, although I usually "see" what I'm going for in the final image when I'm in the field, I'm ashamed to admit that this was not even close to being true in this case, and I didn't notice the incredible texture in the walls in this shot until I was deep into postprocessing the full-frame image, which is considerably less interesting than what you see here. Because I was fixated on a foreground object that didn't even make it into this final version (this is a crop of about 1/4 of the original), I didn't look to fully see what was there, and now I'm kicking myself for it, because there was a lot more to explore that I missed. This dumpster is now long gone and I'm not going to get this particular chance again.
At the same time, I'm not dismissing this image. Those who dislike the angularity I suspect are doing so because it's not "Jackson Pollack" enough. But the other abstract expressionists were extremely angular/planar (Rothko, Milton Avery and Frankenthaler come to mind), so the angularity created by the junction of the walls doesn't bother me, and once again it reinforces the real/not real part of this particular approach that appealed to me in the first place.
Thanks for all your comments!
..I still truly like it. And it's easy for me the viewer , now, to see the other possibilities in the photo. Your afterward frustration is simply a "photographer" frustration. We all live with it ;))..it's a great photo Ferd!!
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I think we have a theme here Ferd...
;-)
E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ♥ ¤ $ at 12:51 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
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I think this is most excellent Ferd. I love how one questions what is being seen in images like this.
Best wishes,
E. Edwin Ennor ~ (E³) HoF Win ♥ ¤ $ at 15:20 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
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Nice. I like the colour, texture, angularity and tonality of this image. Very good choice of composition too. I have the impression you were up tight to the wall? How do you find and compare taking shots like these compared to say your 14-54?
Eugene Donohoe HoF Win ♥ ¤1 $ at 16:57 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
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John: Representationalist! Ceci n'est pas une pipe!
Not sure what your question re "other lens" means. I only had the 7-14 with me when I shot this, and I haven't done an A-B with it and the 14-54 at 14 to see if there's any differences between them.
Eugene: I wasn't all that close to the wall on this, although I was extremely close to the floor! The FOV of this lens is so huge that I'm constantly surprised by how much gets into the image, but still sometimes I forget which end of the zoom range I'm at and try to zoom out further! Nothing's ever enough!
Ferd Berfle Win ♥ ¤ $1 at 19:00 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
THATS NOT ABSTRACT EXPRESSIONSIM!.. or is i?
Hiccup.
I like this picture very much, the unusual POV coupled with the exploration of texture makes for a fascinating study....however, I really must question that this falls under the phylum suggested.
Hiccup.
Can an observation be a form of 'abstract expressionism' particularly when it clearly depicts geometric context?
Hiccup.
Of course, I may well be wrong and am quite willing to accept that being the case. It is afterall 1.00am now and I have had a few beers. I just happen to be reading about Pollock at the moment. ..Let my just say, that genre aside, I think this is yet another cracker Ferd....and I'm feeling angsty.
Hiccup.
Best wishes- Andy
Andrew McLean HoF ♥ ¤1 $ at 20:10 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
Ferd
I too like this alot. Yet if your emphasis is on Abstract Expressionism as your title says, I think this is expressed mainly in the "walls" and not the floor. I'd crop the lower third and correct the horizontal/vertical tilt to emphasize the walls. 'Just my two cents worth, regardless, I like a lot.
Gary Trabant ♥ ¤ ¤ $1 at 21:24 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
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Man, you guys are literal! Of course ceci n'est pas expressionnisme abstrait! It's not even a photo of abstract expressionism! It's a photo of a dumpster! But the more accurate title "Dumpster with walls that reminded me of Pollack, yes, but more of like a combination of Reinhardt, Frankenthaler and maybe Fuller Potter long after I took the shot and I had to crop down to where it almost fell apart because there weren't enough pixels left in the image" wouldn't fit in the form field, so I just left it abbreviated. Anyway, the fact you can just tell that it's something real and even know what real thing it is was part of the allure of the picture for me. Gary, even though it may look rotated, this is the actual orientation of the walls (not saying it might not be better "fixed" as you suggest, mind you); the walls of the dumpster were slanted. But unfortunately I can't crop any tighter.
Ferd Berfle Win ♥ ¤ $1 at 22:49 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
Nooooo...
Say it ain't so!!! How could I like a photo of a dumpster so much? Very good work Ferd!
David Nielson Win ♥ ¤ ¤ $1 at 23:03 EDT on 2005-Jun-24 [Reply]
Correction
I like it too, Ferd, but I am also one who would prefer the verticals 'normalised' - regardless of the in situ orientation. Yet I know it can't easily be done because there is no right angle there in the corner I'm very boring. :-)
Rob Smith HoF Win ♥ ¤ $1 at 04:01 EDT on 2005-Jun-25 [Reply]
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I think that what makes this good as a photograph/picture is the fact that it is possible to see what it is a picture of (dumpster or some kind of wall) at the same as it surely reminds of an abstract painting. If it was completely abstract (not possible to see what it was a picture of) it would compete with ordinary abstract paintings and would probably loose out in competition with such if people were going to choose something to hang on their walls.
p.t. Inactive Win ♥ ¤1 $ at 10:02 EDT on 2005-Jun-25 [Reply]
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Hi Ferd, great find here with a lot of textures and rusty color to work with. I like your shot but i'm gonna be very honest with you by saying that the geometrical corner here detract from the power of such "matière" you have here. A plain frontal shot of the left side would definetly give every abstract or painting the imagination of the viewer can allow.
..i hope you did some close up shots there..
Best..
Jamal Dadsi ♥ ¤1 at 12:30 EDT on 2005-Jun-25 [Reply]
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Ferd Berfle Win ♥ ¤ $1 at 13:08 EDT on 2005-Jun-25 [Reply]
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..I still truly like it. And it's easy for me the viewer , now, to see the other possibilities in the photo. Your afterward frustration is simply a "photographer" frustration. We all live with it ;))..it's a great photo Ferd!!
Best..
Jamal Dadsi ♥ ¤1 at 13:22 EDT on 2005-Jun-25 [Reply]
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Beautiful abstract Ferd. I like the composition and the subtle colors. The textures and patterns are interesting.
Frank Brault ♥ ¤1 $ at 17:42 EDT on 2005-Jun-25 [Reply]